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June 28, 2004

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wow...great exercise. Well done. I think I'll use this at some stage down the track with our little group. Excellent stuff.

Great stuff john - we are in the process of doing something similar - a friend has developed an asessment tool for the APEPT which we may trial. I like your approach - simple and engaging

This is awesome. I'm going to find a place to use this!

As Jonny Baker notes, folks outside of the US have much more experience with the post-Christian context because of "the gift of fallowness when things were pretty much dead." I guess that's why I keep looking to learn from people like Darren and Andrew (hamo) who are actively involved with FORGE, the folks who brought us The Shaping of Things to Come.

Good stuff!

That was me on the last post, btw, but I got an itchy trigger finger. The only thing I question is the idea of the "fivefold" ministry -- a term I've heard many times. But the Greek really joins "pastors" and "teachers" together as one gift: the "pastor-teacher." Just a peeve of mine that I like to bring up from time to time to mess with people's theology. :)

Peace,
Andrew

Andrew, I have heard many times about the pastor-teacher. Although this is a common teaching, I have yet to see any practical benefits from it. I have seen great teachers who are lousy pastors (usually paid staff) and great pastors who are lousy teachers (usually home group members).

For more on APEPT, see Len Hjalmarson's review of The Shaping of Things to Come. I cannot say enough good things about this book.

wow jon--great post and a great exercise. You're right--that would be an interesting exercise.

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